April | The Intersection of Philosophy and Theology

Video resources on this page will be published weekly during April 2016, NZ time 20:00 every Thursday

Susan Thompson's Splendid Knowledge and Vital Piety | Karl Popper

Strange miracles in Timaru

John Salmon plays Ludwig Wittgenstein's language game

Frank Hanson | Principal and Christian Educator

Links to NZ Methodist history/theology resources

Go to the John Kinder Library online church newspapers out of print will also take you to the Outlook, the Methodist and Presbyterian newspaper in the colonial period.

The best freebie in New Zealand Methodism: a very high quality PDF reproduction of William Morley's History of New Zealand.

Go to Wesley Historical Society NZ

Go to Sung and Unsung Personalities by Rev Donald Phillipps, Rev Dr Susan thompson, Rev Dr David Bell

Go to Rev Dr James Stuart, video and associated resources, including links to the John Wesley Code Study Guide, PGPL



18 April 2016, 4:06 PM

In my listening you carefully avoid expressing your own stance on miracles! Any further comments?

Stuart Manins
23 April 2016, 4:38 PM

In the case of Rev Dr D Williams and Dave Mullan vs the Methodist church hierarchy, I see a clash between creative innovation and conservatism. You stated that this wasn't the first time and won't be the last. It was a example of 'killing the goose that laid the golden egg'.

I thought of an Elizabethan madrigal called, The Silver Swan by Orlando Gibbons , 'who living had no note, when death approached unlocked her silent throat'. It finished with, 'O death come close my eyes, more geese than swans now live, more fools than wise'.

Tell us more.

David Bell
23 April 2016, 7:31 PM

We can look further into the subject of miracles. I've recorded a Live-on-air, with two lay preachers, Dorothy Willis and Barbara Moller, with a further one planned on the same subject for May, plus a further video about more strange miracles in Timaru. I am thinking the best place for this as an in-depth theological dialogue is in the Genesis and Science group. So will get that going in the very near future..

David Bell
23 April 2016, 11:01 PM

Stuart, thanks for the comment about a "clash between creative innovation and conservatism". This is indicative of a much deeper problem for Methodism. Through the Year with John Wesley highlights the problems Wesley had with the Church Of England authorities. Perhaps the mindset of church hierarchy is similar across denominations and down the Christian centuries. The problem with such a mindset is that it ceased to be out-of-sync with a better educated and more informed laity from the industrial revolution onward. So when Through the Year turned to the New Zealand church we find all kinds of clergy and laity falling out of favour with the reigning powers-that-be from the early missions to the present. I've posted a sticky topic called Methodism and the Open Society so please feel free to comment further there.